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| mncharity 28 days ago | next [–] A couple of comments here mention using this in VR. Fwiw, years back I played a bit with shallow-3D UIs for software dev. Shallow like within a few cm of a laptop display, to minimize VAC eye strain for all-day use. Think more being able to layer and draw in color, but in 3D, rather than waving arms in a room.The 3D can be wiggle 3D, or perspective from webcam head/eye tracking, or stereo from shutter glasses, or XR HMDs. Wiggle is easiest - just move the object orientation back and forth. Cute but distracting. Well, cross/parallel-eye gaze is easier, but limited - ok for little UI test swatches. Perspective is more subtle, less intrusive. Can be simple with a head tracker driving a single orientation, or go all in with eye pose (for distance) and window locations, to do an accurate 3D render. App stereo pairs can be "I give you two windows Left/Right-eye", or "alternating L/R view, labeled/synced/polled". Other possibilities. Many of these need window system/manager/desktop support. I found a lot of leverage in using a stack of electron and X.It's fun to displace text in 3D. Like colorization, but more so. And if you don't mind a cluttered appearance, you can add secondary information layers segregated by depth. And... etc. Emacs with characters-have-a-depth finally gets you something LispMs didn't have. Fun aside, to explore possibilities with code text, with anything not inherently 3D, far easier to prototype UX with fg/bg colors, fonts, unicode, and animation. Or in browser, overlaid divs and transparent 2D/3D canvases.

| tikimcfee 28 days ago | parent | next [–] I have a working fully 3D glyph based text rendering system I can't seem to get people to look at.It's this. Every character is a 3d placed quad, instanced rendered, so you get tens of millions and then some. They are individually addressable and mutable like any polygon. I use it to render entire GitHub repos in one go. I have two versions, native Apple and web. Web has the basics of an ide setup. Would love insight or thoughts.https://ivanlugo.dev/ide

| wavemode 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Is there a reliable way to pan around? Middle click + drag doesn't pan if my screen is covered by an object, it just moves the object itself. Scrollwheel pans up and down but I can't figure out how to go left and right. The minimap is too coarse - when I'm zoomed in close enough to read any text, very tiny movements of my mouse on the minimap pan around massively, too massively to be useful.

| tikimcfee 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Two things, one is wrote, the other is direct: Thank you, sincerely, an immeasurably appreciative amount for trying something new, sharing your time and opinion, and being honest with it. This is how we become better tool builders and engineers: different perspectives, different ways of thinking, and honesty with others. Again - thank you.Ok, now for you: Interaction is absolutely not ideal. I've tried a number of 'defaults' across the years and across platforms, and this isn't the one I want to settle on. At the moment, the 'shortcuts' and bindings page is also a bit out of date, but you can change scroll / zoom directions with keyboard modifiers, and they keyboard itself (if on a device that has one) can be used to navigate around. Agreed that scaled interaction is the trick to this when reading individual files, and that's why I have tried to allow this to be configurable and dynamic while testing. Some people want big picture motions first to get a mental map, some want to focus on small groups of individual files to read. I'll be taking this into account!

| pitched 28 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] I opened and it said to use a repo tab. There are no tabs so I pushed a button. It had a list with Linux so I clicked that. It redirected to a 404 page on github and I gave up.I don’t know what this is supposed to do, let alone how to use it. But I looked at it for you!

| goodmythical 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] There's a menu bar on the left in which the third option is labelled repository, no?firefox 150 here.

| adastra22 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Not on mobile safari

| tikimcfee 28 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] Two things, one is wrote, the other is direct: Thank you, sincerely, an immeasurably appreciative amount for trying something new, sharing your time and opinion, and being honest with it. This is how we become better tool builders and engineers: different perspectives, different ways of thinking, and honesty with others. Again - thank you.For you: The 'tab' layout is pretty atrocious even as a one-shot run through of fitting most of the control areas to mobile and desktop screens. It's not easy, and a lot of 'feature' bloat makes it worse. Knowing what your first-time drop in was like and how you found that link is incredibly useful insight, and I'll be updating the layouts more to accompany first timers and instructions like the original source material I'm rebuilding from on the Apple side.

| em-bee 28 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] it opens source files in an unreadable small size, presumably to fir the whole file into the window. i can zoom in, but i can't properly scroll around or select text. and i don't see the benefit of using 3d here. it doesn't seem useful.

| tikimcfee 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Two things, one is wrote, the other is direct: Thank you, sincerely, an immeasurably appreciative amount for trying something new, sharing your time and opinion, and being honest with it. This is how we become better tool builders and engineers: different perspectives, different ways of thinking, and honesty with others. Again - thank you.For you: You're probably right about "not seeming useful", but I do wanna gently nudge you toward what this is a proof of concept about again. Most folks look at this like it's a bigger, flatter emacs/vim/Sublime/VSCode or whatever. I do support editing in my current workbranch, as well as command-based selection, but most of the work spins out because the tool is half "adopt what tools are useful to an interactive development environment of today" and "allow the display of the canvas to overlap with the spatial relationships of directories, files, and colocation to help generate mental mappings of a code space".These things have often been in conflict, and years (decades) of prior art show this. This is my attempt at it, and since it's my 3rd attempt in twice as many years to make it work in a new environment, you're hitting this particular instance's walls. Would love more feedback or questions!

| em-bee 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] the question i am interested in is "what is your vision?". what problem are you trying to solve?you mention "spatial relationships of directories, files, and colocation to help generate mental mappings of a code space " which i guess is the ability to zoom out and get a visual representation of the relationship as opposed to just looking at a directory tree. that makes sense. i have seen different attempts at doing that, some better than others. to make that practical however i guess it would help to be able to edit text in that space too. zoom in to one column, allow scrolling to jump from one column to the next. and then parse the code, add highlighting, connect function calls. imagine zooming out from a selected function and suddenly you get arrows from all over the codebase where that function is referenced to visualize the relationship.as far as the proof of concept goes it shows that there are no performance issues this way (at least as far my brief test has shown), now the next step is probably to make it work practically. and for that i guess the key feature is to quickly jump around in the code.i hope this is useful. i am less interested in IDEs myself so i looked just out of curiosity. my primary interest is in a more powerful commandline tool/terminal that can visualize files and data.

I use it to render entire GitHub repos in one goNifty.Some scattered thoughts...First-time visitors easily bounce away if there's friction. My experience was: After reloading the page to reread the "load a repo" message, it took a search to find it. Two-fingers unexpectedly panned not zoomed. I consulted the keyboard shortcuts found earlier. My scroll panned. Keys zoomed, but speed was limited by key autorepeat. No response when clicking on shortcuts, suggesting they can't be changed. I eventually noticed shift-two-finger zoomed.So perhaps add an initial popup, as with browser games, giving basic orientation/keys? And perhaps have some default repo already loaded?Is antialiasing turned off? The text is less readable than I'd expect, and there's flicker during zoom.I didn't find the usual github-icon link to the repo. Add it?Perhaps try google/bing maps-like zooming towards cursor location, rather than always towards center?Perhaps clamp zoom-out and scroll so one can't reach no-text-visible blank black screen? Perhaps clamp zoom-in earlier, so "slam inward" stops short of the current one-line-high screen?Clicking README.md brings up a 3 column render, which is too small to read on my screen without further zooming. I'm unclear on what I'd like instead.A big picture observation. Early phone apps did skeuomorphic UIs - a calendar app might render a wire binder spine, and animate paper page turning, with sound effects. It helped onboard a user population unfamiliar with phones. We don't do that anymore. It'd be silly. Most VR UIs seem to me skeuomorphic transients. Why hobble ourselves by unnecessarily importing the severe constraints of a Euclidean physical world?So for example, file presentation might combine content-aware and location based scaling. A README might show up with the header lines enlarged, as in some md editors, and perhaps with fisheye-like distortion (when at the top, the top is rendered normally, but with increasing shrink below). Or mix in outliner-like expand/collapse. And so on. Whatever dynamic geometries are task helpful for the human. Once text colorization is working, it might be fun to work little exercises (make videos?) - with files X and task Y, how might they be most helpfully presented? When skimming agentic markdown as it scrolls by, I keep wishing for a couple of cloud-fast small models that watch it with me, and adjust the text size/color/annotation/etc to guide my attention to notable bits.In the vein of making functionality easy to explore, perhaps give diff a default pr?It's neat to see a repo slurped into something like this. Thanks for sharing.

| pjmlp 29 days ago | prev | next [–] UNIX still trying to catch up with Xerox workstations in the REPL experience, or general Lisp machines for that matter.Inline graphics from 1981,https://youtu.be/o4-YnLpLgtk?t=376

| hans-l 28 days ago | parent | next [–] Sometimes I really feel we're chasing UX that were solved in the Mother of all Demos (in 1968).For those who haven't watched it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJDv-zdhzMY

| pjmlp 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Agreed.

| steezeburger 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] That's not 3d

| pjmlp 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] The example on the linked video it isn't, correct.Here is another video, this time with S-PACKAGE used to develop Nintendo 64.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV5obrYaogUWhich given the REPL capabilities, you can easily embedd them on it, just like the other video.

| orbital-decay 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Later rebranded as Mirai. I remember playing with a pirated copy of Nichimen Mirai somewhere in 2001 (I think), it looked weirdly Ediacaran in the Cambrian explosion of the late 90s.

| steezeburger 28 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] So you're saying that the Xerox workstation didn't have inline 3d graphics rendering capabilities? And in fact this isn't an instance of UNIX trying to catch up to Xerox workstations' REPL from yester-decade?

| convolvatron 28 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] that's a poorly chosen counter-complaint. before SGI, symbolics owned the market for 3d graphics. this was a world where you could also just do (create-window), see the window, and get back a handle you could use to draw in it. starting with X10 afterwards for me was like drowning in mud.

| steezeburger 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I think the original comment is actually a poorly chosen example vs me having a poorly chosen counter-complaint.

| steezeburger 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] But that's not what was relevant to their comment."Here's this new thing that can Ⓧ!" "Pfft, Y could do X years ago."Well, Ⓧ ≠ X. Come on now, we're programmers here.

| SpaceNoodled 27 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Just noting how every single part of that was wrong.

| steezeburger 27 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I'm actually not sure what you're saying. Are you implying inline 2d graphics are the same as inline 3d graphics? That's what the subtitle of Ratty was about. And that's not what was shown in original comment's video. Why does it matter if it was from 2013? It wasn't showing off the same thing as Ratty.

| kbelder 26 days ago | root | parent | next [–] He was responding to "Inline graphics from 1981"

| pocksuppet 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Or TempleOS.

| mghackerlady 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] People joke about templeos a lot, but it had some really neat ideas (holy-c is a pretty nice language)

| tombert 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I've dug around the TempleOS codebase a bit, and while it certainly is impressive for a single guy's work, I think there's been an overcorrection where people act like Terry was some hyper genius instead of "a pretty smart guy".I kind of got the impression that whenever Terry didn't know how to do something, he would just convince himself that that's not what God wanted anyway and stop doing it.

| shaky-carrousel 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I like that mindset. "This bug is not meant to be solved."

| arcfour 27 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] I don't think most people actually believe he was one of the smartest people of all time or anything. He was obviously a seriously talented programmer, and impressively so: when you consider the number of humans that can program at all on earth, and then the number that can write a compiler, and a complete operating system/desktop environment/shell/games, while suffering from severe mental illness no less—you end up with a vanishingly small group.

| pocksuppet 28 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] Most of the people we think of geniuses are not smarter than the average smart person, but they persevered more. Terry had the ultimate driver of perseverance: severe mental illness.

| pjmlp 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] We would still have an issue with bad POKEs though.

| nurettin 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] It didn't cause a problem in my Commodore 64. ROM4L

| em-bee 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] and plan9also smalltalkwe used oberon in one class in university. i don't remember much unfortunately.

work of artmore like theopneustos

| d-us-vb 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Even Terry Davis wasn't that bold.

| jojobas 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Well he did admit this possibilityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K8IEzXnMYk

| drakythe 29 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] Given that Terry described the manic episodes as "a revelation from God" I think theopneustos is an accurate description. It just means "God Breathed" or "Inspired by God"

| d-us-vb 21 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Oh, yeah that does make sense now that I think about it.

| Sharlin 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] The announcement blog post (https://blog.orhun.dev/introducing-ratty/), which would've been a better submission URL, unsurprisingly says that TempleOS was the direct inspiration of the project.

| noelwelsh 29 days ago | prev | next [–] I like this. No reason the terminal should only support text. Data science notebooks show one way the terminal can evolve. Lots of interesting stuff happening in this space, with Kitty probably being the most aggressive innovator here [1]. I'm not sure there is an overall vision, though.[1]: https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/protocol-extensions/

| joouha 29 days ago | parent | next [–] No evolution necessary! With my project, euporie [1], you can have use your data science notebooks with graphical image outputs, HTML, LaTeX, etc, all in the terminal.[1] https://github.com/joouha/euporie

| Imustaskforhelp 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] This is such an amazing project. I find it so awesome that I can bump on such projects (and their creators, Hi!) on hackernews.I wish to ask a question if I may (and as such pardon my ignorance on jupyter kernel, I don't know much about it and I hope you can tell me more about it :-D)but my question is, is there a way to swap the jupyter kernel within euphorie to something else more minimalist?And when you run a project with ssh, there are ways to give access to other users with user:password if I may ask?I didn't know that there were ways to run jupyter kernels in terminal, I don't know when I might need it but I am prepared with this information now, this feels so nice to me, thanks for making it!!This is like a checklist of a thing I didn't know that I needed/existed but the second I know that it has existed, it feels like my mind has checked it off and just a satisfaction from knowing projects like these existing.(I think in some sense this is a bit of same reaction to me on Ratty too), Its just so good seeing projects in these spaces :-DEdit: just remembered the one time I think I was using some websites which gave me jupyter and then I tried to use browsh to run jupyter to run jupyter in terminal so that it can be controlled by terminal but it had some issues and I wasn't able to run it.I also wish to ask if there is a way to sign in to jupyter instance like that itself perhaps? (IIRC it was a jupyterhub instance)

| joouha 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–]

is there a way to swap the jupyter kernel within euphorie to something else more minimalist?You can use euporie-console for a REPL-like terminal experience (still with rich outputs) if you don't want the full notebook experience.You can also select the local-python kernel in euporie to run code using the local Python interpretor which runs euporie, instead of connecting to a Jupyter kernel.> And when you run a project with ssh, there are ways to give access to other users with user:password if I may ask?> I also wish to ask if there is a way to sign in to jupyter instance like that itself perhaps?euporie-hub supports spawning notebook instances for connected users, but I haven't implemented collaborative editing like JupyterLab supports (yet). I believe that jpterm [1] might support this.[1] https://github.com/davidbrochart/jpterm

| em-bee 27 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] that looks awesome (btw: a demo video would be nice, i could not find any), but it's not solving the problem terminals are generally used for.i want something like jupyter but for unix shells, not for programming languages. and, i don't want it in the terminal, i want it to be the terminal, that is, i want to get rid of terminal escape codes that you currently need to make this work.think about it like this: in jupyter you have pieces of code and their output. you change the code, it changes the output.a unix shell version of this would be a commandline, and its output which would be text or an image or whatever the commandline produced. every output box would be itself a terminal if the output is text. but that's only necessary to support programs that produce terminal output. new programs could produce structured data that this jupyter for shells could interpret and display directly.

| gcr 28 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] incredible work!!You mention using this over ssh. Is there any way to get this working in tmux or anything similar by any chance? Or is the idea that euporie itself is acting like a multiplexer?

| joouha 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] You can absolutely run euporie in tmux. It's useful to do so when using long running notebooks over SSH, so you can disconnect and reconnect later.

| gcr 27 days ago | root | parent | next [–] How does that work with all the kitty terminal protocol image stuff if I have plots to display?

| joouha 27 days ago | root | parent | next [–] tmux now supports sixel graphics, so you can use that instead if running euporie in tmux

| joouha 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Yes - you need to use the IJulia kernel: https://github.com/JuliaLang/IJulia.jl

| bcjdjsndon 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Terry A Davis already did this. It was as crazy then as it is now

| ch4s3 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] The person who built this directly cites Terry as the inspiration.

| Wololooo 29 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] Obligatory Temple OS unhinged video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o48KzPa42_oJoking apart, the whole thing was both an exercise in madness and genius. Sometimes I wonder what he would have done if he had not gone crazy. We will never know...

| wompawoo 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] He'd probably be writing poison pill generators for AI, obfuscation tools (in the vein of public key crypto, but using entirely plaintext, in a style similar to Cockney rhyming slang) for social media posting. He was pretty anarchistic and antiestablishment. I'm sure we'd still see that coming through.

Sometimes I wonder what he would have done if he had not gone crazy.At what point do you consider he had "gone crazy" relative to the development of TempleOS? Only when he committed suicide? Shortly before then? Last ____ years of his life?Without trying to sound insensitive, I'd personally argue the entire OS was the byproduct of a "crazy" individual.

| compass_copium 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I took the parent comment to mean, what would Terry have made if he wasn't crazy and didn't make a God-themed novelty OS?

| drakythe 29 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] The inspiration may have been all "crazy" but the implementation was still really neat, and it takes a lot of effort and skill to get to the point he did before his death. The thing about people who lose touch with reality is that their efforts to create or express something often make no sense to the rest of us. TempleOS, however, works. Terry create an OS from scratch, an entire new language (or variant of a language) in the form of HolyC, and not only does it all work together in a way that requires no disconnect from reality, it works well for his goals and philosophy.The entire thing may be the result of a person suffering from schizoaffective disorder, but that person still held a great deal of skill to implement that idea and enough of a touch with the reality of computer hardware to make it happen.

| bcjdjsndon 27 days ago | root | parent | next [–]

TempleOS, however, worksBut only in 640*480, without networking or usb. Oh and virtual memory is a government conspiracy so expect crashes. He also said the n word a lot

| drakythe 27 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I'm aware. None of that has any bearing on whether or not his grasp on reality was firm enough to create TempleOS.

| panki27 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I managed to get pyvista to render arbitrary 3D shapes directly to the terminal using kitty graphics. It's a giant hack, only way to make it performant is using shm.https://git.theresno.cloud/panki/kglobe

| alias_neo 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I wonder if something like this could work for thumbnails in the terminal; I prefer to browse my filesystem from a terminal rather than the point and click file manager typically, and it would be really useful if I could have a grid-style ls with terminal based renders of the 3d models (thinking STL/STEP, 3D printing) in that directory. Bonus points if I could preview/rotate the model to inspect it.

| calvinmorrison 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] You can do this with thumbnails using sixels already

| kjs3 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] You could probably do something interesting with Tek 4014 emulation, but I think you're right that sixel would be slick.

| em-bee 29 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] as a compromise i started using nemo/n̶a̶u̶t̶i̶l̶u̶s̶ with a plugin that puts a terminal at the bottom of each tab. so i have a graphical view of the terminal but a commandline in the same folder right next to it. the two don't interact other than being able drag and drop filenames from the filemanager into the terminal, so it is far from what we really want, but it's a small start.

| passivepinetree 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Do you mind sharing a little more about the plugin you use? A quick online search wasn't very helpful to me but I've also been hoping for something like this.

| em-bee 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] i am using the nemo filemanager which is a fork of an older version of nautilus. https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo-extensionsfedora has a package for it. just installing it will make the plugin available so it can be activated within nemo preferences.one problem is that common terminal shortcuts are captured by the filemanager. ctrl-c for example will copy a file from the file manager and not kill a process in the terminal if you have something selected (there is no shortcut to unselect everything (you can do ctrl-a,shift-ctrl-i (select all/invert selection))).if any shortcuts bother you, these keys can be changed in ~/.gnome2/accels/nemoi wish the shortcuts would work based on where your focus is.as for nautilus it appears that it no longer supports the APIs needed for the terminal: https://github.com/flozz/nautilus-terminaldolphin also supports builtin terminal, but it shares the same terminal between all tabs which is a bit less convenient. it handles control keys a bit better though.despite its shortcoming this integration has changed the way i work and got me interested in exploring better solutions.now when i want to run a command i go to the right tab, the visual presentation of the contents tell me that i am in the right directory, and i can run the command in the right context.i do a lot of stuff in the terminal, but i prefer a visual orientation. i normally use tmux everywhere, and i have a tmux window open for each directory that i operate in. but ls or terminal file managers are not visual/interactive enough. sorting for example depends on the use case. in a file manager i can have different tabs sorted as i like, in tmux i would have to remember the right ls command and then still don't see everything i need, especially selecting multiple files for opening at once in the terminal is a lot of typing, whereas in the file manager it is a few clicks. a separate terminal and file manager window would make it difficult to keep the two connected. (although a window manager feature that allows me to connect windows would be cool)

| pjmlp 28 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] It doesn't, that is an issue with how UNIX terminals came to be, and the whole backwards compatibility pretending that an HiDPi screen is a VT 100.Terminals on other operating systems that grew up with a framebuffer don't have this limitation.

| jdougan 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Or for that matter, the magic that was a Tektronix storage scope terminal (and compatibles. At school there was a vt10x that had been modified to act like a Tek 4014 by some third party).

| the_other 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Mix this 3d graphics, with data science notebooks, with local LLMs, and perhaps an integrated coding harness, with visibility over your personal data and you’d have something absurdly good.This might overtake “a haiku+macOS mashup” as my idealised computing future.

| miah_ 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] At that point you've re-invented emacs.

| mghackerlady 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Greenspun’s Tenth Rule of Programming states that any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.

| kirubakaran 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I like rtm's corollary: "... including Common Lisp"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule

| em-bee 29 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] well, almost. if emacs offers a graphical file manager i'll consider using it. this seems to be a start: https://github.com/emacs-eaf/eaf-file-manager. the file manager needs to also integrate with a terminal though so i can run unix commands in the same directory. and it needs to support mouse-based operations too. finally, and that's the real kicker, i'd like a better integration of the terminal output and the graphical display by supporting the passing of structured data that the display knows how to handle without terminal escape codes. those need to go away. (which is why sixels are not a solution either)

| gcr 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I’m so sorry to say this but what you want is vscodeThat, or eshell and emacs-ipython-notebook

| em-bee 27 days ago | root | parent | next [–] you got a point with the notebook, except both it and vscode are for programmers. i want the same for non-programmers for the unix commandline. i looked at jupyter-qtnotebook. it can display graphics inline. now instead of a repl for programming code i want to enter unix commands and display their output with graphics.

| dTal 28 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] ipython-qtconsole seems very underappreciated to me.

| sublinear 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–]

push the state of terminal emulators forwardWhat's overlooked here are the insane political and economic forces that were required to get anywhere close to the (sort of!) consistent implementation of plain text we have today. These projects try to piggyback off that success yet only contribute back harm. We have standards for a reason.I'm not saying people can't have fun, but don't try to start a cyberpunk-inspired revolution and then blame the side effects of groupthink and software rot on everyone else when it goes sideways.

| krautburglar 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Exactly this. They are slowly turning the terminal into a web browser, just for attention. We already have web browsers. If you want something at the midpoint, make it, but please don’t call it a terminal & destroy one of the few non-trojan-horse standards that we have left.

| sigseg1v 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Seems... really good?!Questions:- rendering capabilities of this seem like it should also be able to handle 2d well, or am I mistaken? every solution I see for getting high quality 2d images or rasterization in terminal is all pretty bad. Could this do better than other solutions or is there a fundamental limit being hit somewhere?- What happens with ssh given that this is gpu accelerated?

| the_gipsy 29 days ago | parent | next [–] The kitty graphics protocol is pretty good. Ghostty implements it fully.

| berkes 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] There are quite a few GPU powered terminal emulators around already.Is that what you're looking for?

| jetbalsa 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I think they are looking for full 2d graphics, bitmaps, sprites and the likes.

| amelius 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Terminal is slowly becoming a full featured web browser.

| iugtmkbdfil834 29 days ago | parent | next [–] Always has been meme incoming. Also, more seriously, the purpose of a tool is to do a job. The question becomes whether this tool can be made useful. I.. honestly don't know, but I will be finding out soon:D

| corysama 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] You asked for it…https://github.com/fathyb/carbonyl

| Levitating 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Or firefox flavoured https://www.brow.sh/

| microflash 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Or Terminal is already a full featured web browser?https://hyper.is/

| tekla 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Isn't there a Terminal that renders everything with React?Super slow, but I guess thats what web devs want.

| EMM_386 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] There are terminal libraries that do this:https://github.com/vadimdemedes/inkWhich is what Claude Code CLI uses (or was using?) and it caused many issues such as flickering, thrashing, and latency.

| tikimcfee 28 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] Do you one better.Rendered as instanced quads in 3d space. Tens of millions at >60fps, and an entire class of "grid based text rendering" evaporates.https://github.com/tikimcfee/glyph3d-js

| l-albertovich 28 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] You know, Fox turned into a hardcore sex channel so gradually, I didn't even notice.

| shevy-java 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] And rightfully so! \o/

| rexthonyy 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] It's inevitable

| shmerl 28 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] It does, yeah.

| yagizdagabak 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] i have been waiting for this.

| iugtmkbdfil834 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Rip Terry. May you never be forgotten.edit: But your spirit lives on ( based on the project:D )

| arusahni 29 days ago | parent | next [–] As do his sprites.

| joouha 29 days ago | prev | next [–] It's very interesting to learn about the newly proposed glyph protocol [1] in the linked blog post. I was bemoaning the lack of exactly this here about 6 months ago [2]![1] https://rapha.land/introducing-glyph-protocol-for-terminals/[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45805072

| codedokode 28 days ago | parent | next [–] The idea that every application should ship their own glyphs because some proprietary systems do not have normal fonts, is not great. Fix the terminal instead.Also, if you want advanced GUI with icons, maybe you should just write a GUI app.As for shipping custom icons, this is not very bright idea as well. If you switch between several applications on one terminal, then one application can redefine glyphs from another application. Also, when the application terminates, nobody cleans up its glyphs. Also, this increases attack surface because font standards are pretty complicated and one will be able to attack the system by just providing a glyph. We already have programs that can break the terminal, which should never happen.Also, as for icons, I find emoji characters too distracting (and too large). They stand out too much and take away user's attention, breaking any visual hierarchy. The icons in terminal should be monochrome, and with thin lines, so that they do not distract you from the text and its structure.

| joouha 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I'm specifically interested in querying for support of particular glyphs (e.g. the symbols for legacy computing block), so applications can use a different fallback if it is know that a particular glyph cannot be rendered and will break the interface.I agree that the addition of sending custom glyphs to the terminal is potentially problematic.

| codedokode 27 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I think this is not an application responsibility. Do you also check which Wayland extensions the system has, and install your own if some are missing?

| CobrastanJorji 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Oh hey, that's a nice idea! Unlike some of the terminal projects I've seen recently, it addresses a problem without entirely reinventing the idea of what terminals can do.

| tikimcfee 28 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Agreed, glyphs are the keyhttps://github.com/tikimcfee/glyph3d-js

| CTDOCodebases 29 days ago | prev | next [–] "Don't worry, all of these dependencies are worth it."That had me in stitches.

| ghostoftiber 29 days ago | prev | next [–] This reminds me of when compiz came out and everyone was like MY WINDOWS ARE ON A CUBE and I NEED WOBBLY WINDOWS.So anyway, being that guy, I immediately installed it.

| krs_ 28 days ago | parent | next [–] You can still have that in KDE Plasma to this day. I have the wobbly windows enabled because they're neat.

| dpacmittal 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I remember those good old days. I had virtualbox running win xp on its dedicated face on the compiz cube. It felt magical to switch between windows and Ubuntu specially with all the compiz animation goodies

| pelagicAustral 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Can I really render a 3D rat on my terminal? If I can then I'm sold.

| mghackerlady 29 days ago | parent | next [–] I saw it this morning on reddit, the I beam was replaced with a spinning rat for the demonstration. It was very cool B)

| sevenzero 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] This is exactly what I thought as well.

| arkwin 29 days ago | prev | next [–] We are one step closer to the terminal in the movie Hackers, and I am all for it.

| zackoverflow 29 days ago | prev | next [–] This is kinda possible already today with the Kitty graphics protocol, I made a demo here of rendering 3D graphics[1] with kitty. The actual important missing thing (and which ratty seems to also not include) is vsync.If rendering is not aligned then it's possible for the terminal emulator to read the framebuffer while the application is writing to it, causing visual artifacts.[1] https://x.com/zack_overflow/status/2035921425341763756?s=20

| JSR_FDED 29 days ago | prev | next [–] This is pure Hollywood OS - hackers feverishly entering obscure incantations like “upload virus”…but now with the terminal twisted into a Moebius strip!

| d--b 29 days ago | parent | next [–] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kSdvNH1BYQIStill giving me goosebumps

| darkwater 29 days ago | prev | next [–] What would happen when you use cat in Ratty then?

| liamwire 29 days ago | prev | next [–] You had me at spinning rat cursor

| basilikum 29 days ago | prev | next [–] This looks a lot like it'd qualify for a ShowHN. Add "ShowHN: " to the beginning of the title and it should show up in /show

| mohamedkoubaa 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Emojis in a terminal are a step too far for me. This is just... Indulgent.

| Panzerschrek 29 days ago | prev | next [–] The question is - why do we still need the terminal abstraction at all?

| gavmor 29 days ago | parent | next [–] The terminal is keystroke-driven. It's character-selectable. It's reliable in a way that the GUI is not. When I drop frames, I can still enter the commands to rescue myself with some assurance they'll be interpreted, eventually.I agree, a REPL isn't Unixy in the streams of text kind of way... or is it?

| mr-wendel 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Let me add more! PIPES.It's a bit more abstract and useful than "character-selectable" when viewed at the byte-level abstraction.The ability to chain together utilities with no complicated data structures is extremely flexible. One of my favorite current use-cases is using FFmpeg to process RTSP streams that send output (e.g. high quality stream for recording, low quality low FPS for processing, max quality low FPS for stills, etc) to separate file descriptors. FFmpeg doesn't care whats on the other end (e.g. redirect to file, read via Python, etc) due to these lovely abstractions.Reliability translates directly to scriptability. Yes, you can create monsters, but through the use of sub-shells and pipes I think it's the fastest, cheapest, most concise way to pull off some really cool multiprocessing tricks.

| bsder 28 days ago | parent | prev | next [–]

The question is - why do we still need the terminal abstraction at all?Because nobody is willing to put in the work to create a GUI toolkit that doesn't suck ass.It's not that people want the "terminal abstraction". What people want is "Put on screen without me needing a PhD in graphics programming." That's why the dominant desktop interface paradigms have become TUIs and a Browser-In-A-Trenchcoat.

| pjmlp 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I would argue that a proper REPL is much better.

| dkersten 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] That’s what I came here to ask. Their demo looks like Compiz back in the day: ok, cool, you have 3d effects, but… why? What does it do for me?Compiz 3d effects were ultimately a useless gimmick and I predict this is too.

| reaperducer 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Lack of imagination doesn't mean this isn't innovation.It's the ability to convey more information in less space.Top-of-my-head notion: The cursor spins (or changes in another way) to reflect CPU use, or bandwidth use, instead of taking up space elsewhere on the screen.

| dkersten 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] The same was said about Compiz, but it turned out to be a passing gimmick that looked flashy but didn’t really add anything. Sure you could always make up reasons why it’s useful, I remember the same about Compiz, but… is it really? I could be proven wrong, of course, but it hasn’t been demonstrated yet.It’s a solution in search of a problem. OP should have presented it with a real use case or benefit, not just flashy graphics, if it’s meant to be anything other than a fun oddity (which, to be fair, is perfectly fine).

| reaperducer 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] It’s a solution in search of a problem. So were iPods.

| quotemstr 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Cool.Seriously, though, when are we going to see the convergence of terminals and GUI remoting protocols? People have already departed far from Unix pipeline utilities. "TUI" programs are already GUIs in disguise. Why keep pretending that the terminal (as used by TUI programs) is a different kind of thing?

| tikimcfee 28 days ago | parent | next [–] Agreed. Terminals are just addressable glyph tools with programming tools wrapped around it.https://github.com/tikimcfee/glyph3d-js

| alexprengere 29 days ago | prev | next [–] If this turns out to exfiltrate all my keys, I will have some explaining to do to my security department.

| silon42 29 days ago | prev | next [–] IMO, next crazy step is for terminal to just have wayland or X11 protocol ? (/s or not?)

| mghackerlady 29 days ago | parent | next [–] someone made an x server that renders to sixel[0][0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45341683

| MayeulC 28 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I have been thinking about this for a while. It's not as crazy as it may sound, especially in light of the other comments making a parallel between terminals and notebooks.A few thoughts:1. Linux VTs kind of have this feature already: there is the normal buffer, the alternate buffer (that something like htop would draw on), and an IOctl can change them to/from graphics mode.2. It makes sense for interactivity. Kitty's graphics protocol is quite useful for static shapes, can be abused for animations, but doesn't really cut it for interactivity (say, pan a graph around). Wayland is designed for this.3. Wayland would be a good fit: isolate each command from another, let them request buffers, but keep control of where to display them, do not update them when off screen, etc.4. One downside is that terminals excel for one-shot tasks. What's the purpose of the display when you are done with it? Should you kill the process driving it? Due to this, it may make more sense to delegate more features to the terminal emulator (displaying the 3D model, etc). Or maybe just allow the app to temporarily take over the window.5. Once you have it up and running, have it talk directly to the direct rendering manager. Your "kmscon" is now your compositor / desktop environment. That's a fun thought! Add some basic terminal features like tabs and tiling, and you've inverted the usual setup.6. One downside is accessibility. I really like that I can copy-paste any part of the interface for reference, "screenshots", etc. It's good for screen readers, too. You lose these advantages by going to Wayland.7. Another current terminal limitation is fonts. Power line, yazi & other make use of custom fonts for drawing part of the interface, logos, etc. AFAIK there is no good way to query their availability (which is also an issue for color emoji). Custom fonts or a new protocol could be useful, but client apps could draw it themselves if given a surface (that can already do that with the kitty graphics protocol, mind you)Obviously I am not seriously considering to make such a terminal emulator, but it would be an interesting experiment (heck, maybe something I should try this "vibe coding" with, since I wouldn't want to spend too much time on it).

| pjmlp 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Outside UNIX world, there is no much to think about, see:- Atari ST GEM OS- AmigaDOS- Smalltalk- Interlisp-D- Genera- Oberon- MS-DOS (mode 13h and VESA)- TempleOS- Mac OS classic

| pjmlp 28 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] That is how terminals work in OSes that were born with framebuffers instead of teletypes.It is just another graphical application window on the OS.

| mnorris 29 days ago | prev | next [–] I built DeepSteve (https://github.com/deepsteve/deepsteve) with a similar itch but went the other way. Instead of adding graphics to the terminal, I put the terminal in a place that already has graphics.I kept trying to optimize my terminal layout and realized I could just run my terminals inside of the browser, and let Claude Code write JavaScript in the same browser tab to customize the experience however I want. It's kind of a terrible idea, but it's my terrible idea, and I love it.

| wonger_ 29 days ago | parent | next [–] Have you ran into any issues with handling inputs? Like how vim Ctrl+P would maybe be intercepted by the browser Ctrl+P shortcut for print.And have you run into any other issues, maybe like performance?I feel like web-ified terminals get nerfed pretty hard and I'm not sure if/how people overcome that.I like the idea of customizing multiplexed terminals with on-the-fly JavaScript, tho.

| mnorris 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I haven't seen any performance issues for Claude Code, even when I'm running like 20 in one browser tab and looking at them all at the same time (rendered with xterm.js), but Gemini and OpenCode flicker a lot even if you have one open.

| pawelduda 29 days ago | prev | next [–] This is so cool I'm sad I can't think of any use case for me

| injidup 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Anybody remember "wobbly windows"? It never sticks.

| mghackerlady 29 days ago | parent | next [–] I have wobbly windows on whenever I use KDE. I like how it gives the movements more momentum, though I have it turned down by a lot so it isn't distracting

| gosub100 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Has anyone tried to create 3D fonts? It sounds like a ton of work but might look cool if done correctly.You could also do really cool text highlights by working with light sources and shader effectsAnother feature I'm looking for is smooth scrolling when you hit enter. I've had debates before where they claim it's not possible, that the text must jump one line. But I think it's possible, by shifting the frame buffer up.

| tikimcfee 28 days ago | parent | next [–] https://github.com/tikimcfee/glyph3d-jsIf you render your text like a polygon, you get full 3d animations for free.

| voidUpdate 29 days ago | prev | next [–] I was going to comment how it reminded me of TempleOS and the author should look into that, but the accompanying blog post explains how it was inspired by it https://blog.orhun.dev/introducing-ratty/

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| hailruda 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] User name doesn’t checkout.Any technical reason for such a strong opinion?

| iwontberude 29 days ago [flagged] | root | parent | next [4 more] He constantly used the N word to describe black people and always was warning people about how evil black people were. I’m not making this up, go watch his streams.

| iugtmkbdfil834 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Hold up.. is that your definition of a technical reason?

| iwontberude 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Yes and I can appreciate why you don’t see it as technical, but software should be made to help users. I was brought up the ACM way.

| iugtmkbdfil834 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Why.. is that a technical reason?

| AntiUSAbah 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] So just to be clear, a human being can't think properly / straight anymore, has issues forming a coherent worldview, has regularly crazy maniac phases were he would drive like 100 miles, dismantle his car, throw away his keys but you do not accept any of this as a reasonable excuse that that particular human is not able to break out or even manifests stereotypical thoughts?The mental base mode you are born, is a community of christians, parents forming your mind etc. and you have to break out of this, formulate your own independet worldview. A lot of people can't do that today. All religios people in fact.Plenty of woman can't break out of absuve relationships, familys protecting someone inside the family even if they are rapists due to "family is family; what would others think of us" etc. and thats were you draw the line for that Human being?

| bonsai_spool 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–]

Plenty of woman can't break out of absuve relationships, familys protecting someone inside the family even if they are rapists due to "family is family; what would others think of us" etc. and thats were you draw the line for that Human being?I think you're being fair overall, but I would also say that OP in this thread reply is highlighting something worthwhile. If Terry were a misogynist, I don't think this thread would have taken as long to recall his abnormal behavior. But that's just, like, my opinion.

| 2ndorderthought 29 days ago | prev | next [–] I actually see some use cases for this. It's one of those should be nonsense projects that somehow isn't.

| panzi 29 days ago | parent | next [–] What use cases do you see?

| 2ndorderthought 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Checking 3d models in a directory inside my terminal to see what's what without opening an application and clicking 100 times.

| a96 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] .. over ssh. In a tmux. After disconnecting and reconnecting.

| HumblyTossed 29 days ago | prev | next [–] How long until we have a web browser in a terminal (not just Lynx, but a full on web browser)?

| PUSH_AX 29 days ago | parent | next [–] Soon it will just be browsers all the way down.

| mghackerlady 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] there was a project that rendered firefox to the terminal through box drawing characters. When libweb is more complete I kinda want to do something similar

| slopinthebag 28 days ago | prev | next [–] Remember when the Claude Code devs claimed that CC is a game engine?This is a game engine.

| zhxiaoliang 28 days ago | prev | next [–] I’m not sure why I’d use it, but I enjoyed the visual and loved the brutalist design of the website -- it brought back some fond memories of the good old days.

| tootie 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Make me think of the infamous Unix scene in Jurassic Park.

| mghackerlady 29 days ago | parent | next [–] That was an actual file manager if you didn't know, it was called FSN. Theres a FOSS clone called FSV[0][0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_System_Visualizer

| lackoftactics 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Hantavirus inspired?

| xrd 29 days ago | parent | next [–] You should know that using a TERMINAL instead of a BROWSER ON THE DANGEROUS INTERNET is the ONLY WAY to avoid viruses!

| PunchyHamster 28 days ago | prev | next [–] It's funny when terminal emulators add shit like that but search in windows names/content ? nah who needs that

| whywhywhywhy 29 days ago | prev | next [–] I was gonna comment here "real TempleOS vibes" then the TempleOS logo appeared a moment later in the demo video.

| gorgoiler 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Hah, reminds me of the Quantel broadcast equipment on the 1990s. Why fade to black when you can fade to 3d butterfly!?

| shevy-java 29 days ago | prev | next [–] This is a great idea. I always wanted KDE konsole to e. g. show images inlined as is. This is possible via magick six:-, but I wanted this to be natively. I want the terminal to be able to work with any data and display it in any way. No need to simulate the 1980s era anymore (except for backwards/legacy support). So great idea here really.

| anthk 29 days ago | parent | next [–] I did that with Sixels, no Rust needed, no 3D crap, no ad-hoc addons, just old vt340 support in XTerm.That's how I read images under a remote pubnix with tut using a Mastodon account over plain SSH.Chafa and XTerm. It works.

| kjs3 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

| anthk 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I don't have any newsletter, but for Mastodon:

Compile tut, it just requires Go, it will run on any modern OS.
Login with tut
Set a 'tview' shell (sh) script as

/bin/sh

chafa -f sixel --fit-width "$@" | less -r" reset

Configure tut, set program=tview in the [media.image] section.
Then launch XTerm as 'xterm -ti 340'. Edit ~/.Xresources so you have nice fonts:

xtermbackground: black xtermforeground: white xtermloginShell: true xtermfaceName: Monospace xtermfaceSize: 10 xtermgeometry: 100x32 xterm*metaSendsEscape: true

xtermdecTerminalID: vt340 xtermnumColorRegisters: 256 xtermsixelScrolling: 1 xtermsixelScrollsRight: 1

Done. Edit the facesize value to a bigger font if you have a big resolution. Run "xrdb ~/.Xdefaults" to get the changes.Also, you can run chafa locally with images such as "chafa -f sixel --fit-with foo.img', no need to login into a VPS, of course, it just was a proof of concept that you could see images over SSH. This can be really useful for instance to read graph/plots with Gnuplot or similar tools.If any, subscribe to T3X's news letter and get some books, as these small tools will pay a lot in near future. No AI crap, small enough to run on some sets, from Statistics to semi-advanced math (even Zenlisp being crap can do complex numbers, and you can adapt the code for instance for S9 so that interpreter Scheme understand complex numbers and a much faster speed).Yeah, Python+SAGEMATH, CUDA with number crunching and the like. How much are the GPU's, CPU's and SSD's going nowadays in dollars?

| kjs3 27 days ago | root | parent | next [–] "I would like to subscribe to your newsletter" is an old neck-beard way of saying 'I really like what you're doing there' from the before time. The humor probably got lost over the years. But seriously, thanks for sketching that out. I will definitely give it a spin.

| berkes 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Kitty and several other terminal emulators, have built in graphics display already. IIRC, this is called the kitty protocol, but I might be mistaken.

| Levitating 28 days ago | prev | next [–] I have been waiting for a proper implementation of this since forever. Thanks orhun.

| rs545837 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Damn this was really fun to use.

| commieneko 28 days ago | prev | next [–] It's like someone crossed an 80s Silicon Graphics workstation with a Vic-20.I, Beldar, approve.

| rexthonyy 29 days ago | prev | next [–] That's quite cool, visually pleasing to the eye and high on data usage.

| hartjer 29 days ago | prev | next [–] "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should." - Jeff Goldblum (OG Jurassic Park)

| cr545l 28 days ago | prev | next [–] You can also use the kitty protocol or sixel in modern terminals.

| chakintosh 29 days ago | prev | next [–] People complain about token limitsThen spend their tokens on abominations like thisMake it make sense

| torben-friis 29 days ago | parent | next [–] I much prefer seeing tokens used for silly fun stuff, rather than sad get-rich-quick attempts like filling YouTube and Spotify with LLM crap.

| koiueo 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Filling GitHub with LLM crap isn't on your list... I wonder why

| torben-friis 29 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Happy to include it, plenty of wannabe moneymakers making things worse for the rest there too.

| Gracana 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–]

Make it make senseIt's not hypocrisy when different people do different things.

| gavmor 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] People use their tokens, and then complain of limits. Where's the incongruity?

| gosub100 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Did this developer complain about token limits?

| kspacewalk2 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I mean... Why not?

| neomantra 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Really fun project! Dude, I spent the last week implementing Kitty Graphics and Clipboard protocols in ghostty-web in the Canvas render.Then I added WebGL and WebGPU renderers [1], including support for Kitty.Then I see this this project on a Monday morning... so now I have to implement Ratty Graphics Protocol?!?! [2].ETA: I looked into this; Ghostty would need patched to support Ratty since Ghostty-Web now defers APC handling there. It would also require pulling in a 3D engine like three.js or otherwise implementing file parsing, lighting, etc. Finally, since local filenames are part of the protocol, a browser would need some file resolver helper, either to get the data over the APC channel or via a URL.[1] https://github.com/NimbleMarkets/ghostty-web/tree/nm-webgpu[2] https://github.com/orhun/ratty/blob/main/protocols/graphics....

| tikimcfee 28 days ago | parent | next [–] Your wish is my project.Glyph rendering in three.js, fully instanced and addressable and positionable instances. Handles tens of millions. Sample app loads up full GitHub repositories in the web in a few seconds.https://github.com/tikimcfee/glyph3d-js https://ivanlugo.dev/ide

| neomantra 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] That's pretty handy, thanks for the links. IDE is slick! Given the structure, I think one could make a threejs backend on for ghostty-web. Makes sense if one will pull in more of three.js anyway. I'm adding it to my backlog to explore.

| tikimcfee 28 days ago | root | parent | next [–] First off, from an internet rando: <3Second: I would love to offer any assistance during your perusal. Happy to share ideas, what I tried, point out parts of the code that are rough and tumble, whatever helps. I'm in a place where any outside feedback and prodding is precious, so thanks very much for taking a look and keeping it in mind!

| kokey 29 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I am a bit surprised that I had to look hard for someone to mention Ghostty in the comments.

| muyanapar 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Amazing project and the ratatui community is really wholesome :,)

| namar0x0309 29 days ago | prev | next [–] More of this please! Outside the box thinking! Yes and yes!

| randusername 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Here's the bit from the blog post about it:> When I first got introduced to [TempleOS], I was shocked and impressed by the flashy colors, graphical sprites and uncomprehensible UI. There are so many things that makes it so unique, weird and fascinating at the same time, somehow.... Basically, the command line becomes the direct interface for everything. You can write code, interact with the system and render graphics all in the same place, which is why TempleOS feels so unusual compared to conventional operating systems.I think this could be a really cool approach. I enjoy tools like Chafa, imgcat, etc but something always feels a little clunky about the separation between text and images. Paradoxically having text and non-text all jumbled up like this feels better somehow.

| sscarduzio 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Well deserved HN #1

| lupodevelop 28 days ago | prev | next [–] I don't know. mixed feelings... but fine

| austinrm 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Excited to see others equally inspired by TempleOS’ 3D feature :)I tried something similar a few months ago that acts more as a library to ratatui than a separate terminal emulator [0].Was surprised how far one can get using some off the shelf characters like half-block when rasterizing.The Glyph protocol mentioned in the blog post is interesting … perhaps custom glyphs could help smooth some of the (literal) rough edges from the low effective resolution of a terminals character grid.[0] https://github.com/limlabs/ratatui-3d

| olivierestsage 29 days ago | prev | next [–] In a world of slop, one truly noble project emerges

| sgt 29 days ago | prev | next [–] How do I enter zoom mode or pan mode?

| whywhywhywhy 28 days ago | parent | next [–] ctrl + alt + enter

| HackerThemAll 29 days ago | prev | next [–] What a twist, having textual window manager within a graphical user interface, and that textual window manager implementing bits of graphics.You'll soon may be able to implement overlapping graphics windows in TUI within GUI.This is stupid af.

| xantronix 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Was this aided with LLMs or purely for the love of the game? I don't see an AGENTS.md or anything similar in the repo.

| brunoborges 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Cool... why?

| LennyHenrysNuts 28 days ago | prev | next [–] This is gloriously bonkers.

| wolvoleo 29 days ago | prev | next [–] This would be nice in VR

| holg 28 days ago | prev | next [–] it is the fantastic tool!

| gariti 29 days ago | prev | next [–] last night I was pondering if there was a ghostty plugin that can make my terminal like the opening scroll from a Star Wars movie. Can we make that happen?

| dstnn 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Friggin waste of resources

| nickcageinacage 29 days ago | prev | next [–] so cool. well done

| iugtmkbdfil834 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Dude. Congrats. You actually made a compelling argument to put rust on my machine:P

| kandros 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Expect to see Orhun in here before clicking, not disappointed

| semiinfinitely 29 days ago | prev | next [–] temple OS?

| Bluescreenbuddy 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Another terminal to murder your battery life

| ceayo 29 days ago | prev | next [–] why would you want this?

| antran22 29 days ago | parent | next [–] why wouldn't you want to see your htop output on a moebius strip

| Lucasoato 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Imagine this with VR dev environments!

| nialv7 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Terry A. Davis will be proud

| BaardFigur 29 days ago | prev | next [–] Reminds me of TempleOS

| mobeigi 29 days ago | parent | next [–] So TempleOS was ahead of its time!

| drakythe 29 days ago | prev | next [–] My first reaction: "But why?"My second reaction: "Oh wait is that TempleOS being cited? This is either awesome or terrible."

| lioeters 29 days ago | prev | next [–]

inserted 3D objects in the demo above are actually from the TempleOS codebase itselfBrilliant. The dream lives on! This is the best form of paying respects.It's walking a fine line between madness and genius, and who knows if it'll ever be practical, but more important is the sense of wonder and "fuck yeah" as King Terry expressed so eloquently.

| alexvkw 28 days ago | prev | next [–] Thanks. I hate it

| ruler88 29 days ago | prev | next [–] y tho?

| rullelito 29 days ago | prev [–] Can anyone explain why this is novel? It seems pretty basic?

| dude250711 29 days ago | parent [–] 1. Not another LLM: +100 points.2. 3D rat: +100 points.3. Outdated 80s UI paradigm: +100 points.4. Uses Rust: +100 points.

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